Proposed new Rules - Corporations

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Proposed new Rules - Corporations

Post by Montyjack » Sun Dec 20, 2015 11:10 pm

With corporations becoming more active in the city, and given their potential power, we have come up with new rules which will make corporations more influential and guidelines on how corporations can function in CC. The new rules explain:

Forming a corporation

R and D

Supplying goods and services.

Suggested Corporation Rules

IC

Players have to have a reason for owning the corporation and/or the corporation being in existence -

All corporations have to be attached to a faction (You can be a faction without being a corporation)

The corporation has to fulfil a service/supply goods from the following list:
  • Public Transport i.e. the subway (S)*
    Harvesting of raw materials/farm produce (S) - Although shiva probably had this covered with disciple units, they need maintenance. Also new contractors may be able to win the contract etc.
    Processing of raw materials/farm produce (S) - Although shiva probably had this covered with disciple units, they need maintenance. Also new contractors may be able to win the contract etc.
    Transportation of raw materials/farm produce (S) - Although shiva probably had this covered with disciple units, they need maintenance. Also new contractors may be able to win the contract etc.
    Agriculture (S)
    Nuke plant (S)*
    Chemical plant (S)
    Power plant (S) *
    Healthcare -Hosptial, Asylum, clinics etc
    Technology- Weapons, consumer goods, component parts, combat gear, vehicles, the list is endless
    Pharmaceutical/Genetic research/supply - Whose filling this hole since Gato's demise?
    Media (S)- Both Timely and Goldstar must be under corporate ownership
    Weapons - all types
    Contracted scientific research
    City maintenance (S) - Roads, street lights, parks etc *
    Consumer goods manufacture
    Consumer goods retail
    Security. Armored car/courier service, ADT personal security, bodyguards for private citizens, secure storage
    Finance / Banking
    Law Firms
(S)= Shiva established industries. These can be put out to tender at the discretion of City Hall and could make for good RP

*These contracts are maintenance contracts and not ownership. Governance, oversight of operations, and ownership remain the property of City Hall

To develop products and services the corporation has to show IC (Via Notecard)

The corporation's purpose and target market (Customers/Clients etc) (Supply body armour to the police) (Cell phones to the public) (Law services to corporations)

Supply chain (Products):

How/where it sources component parts. This could be bought from another corporation who deals with the supply of that part.

How/where is it assembled. Probably a factory outside the city, but this needs to be stated. It could be part of a deal with another corporation

Where it is stored in CC prior to distribution to the end customer - We like these things to be stolen damaged in an RP IC nice guy kind of way!

Services

What the service fulfils. Personal security, law, finance, maintenance, etc

If a corporation fails to specialise and try to 'make everything', what it produces will be low quality

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All development of new IC generated products has to be submitted on a notecard-Every stage subject to admin approval
It must state:
  • What the product is and how the product works
    Three components without which the product cannot work
    Each component takes 1 month to produce. However, if the component is common, say a standard lithium ion battery, then this maybe wavered
If the component is outlandish, then an event may be needed to source the component. Event subject to admin approval.

If the new product is deemed too powerful, as admins we may declare the product impossible to develop.

OOC

Every corporation must contribute to the life and story of the sim in a way that makes them being a corporation and getting those privileges worthwhile for us to give.

Levels of wealth and power must be agreed with admin.

Please note - Admin control the "balance of power", while still giving freedom to RP whatever stories you want. Admin may step in to avoid monopolies where those monopolies don't benefit ours or others' ability to tell stories.

Please give your views on the new corporation rules. Thank you.
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Re: Proposed new Rules - Corporations

Post by Chyleste » Mon Dec 21, 2015 2:12 am

Another note about corporations and really any characters, Celestial City is the last known civilization in the multiverse. There is a population of roughly one million people, mostly npc civilians.
Realistically, most of the people will not be spending money on high tech weapons, armor, and vehicles.

Having a business does not equal wealth. The more companies that provide the same products, especially things that are not really needed by an average person, the less money that can be made by the company.

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Post by nightkindangel » Mon Dec 21, 2015 2:26 am

I don't know if I agree with the a single faction controlling a corporation. I could see like....two factions going into an alliance and taking over a corp...and then something happens, the partnership splits and two new companies are born out of the ashes of the initial one. Also, some businesses will be monopolies just because there is not a lot of room for competition, like the subway.

But i'm not directly opposed to any of the rules so far. Sounds very well thought out.

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Post by Chyleste » Mon Dec 21, 2015 2:47 am

Notice that most of the utilities and infrastructure type stuff is government controlled. If you really look at Celestial City it was set up as a dictatorship and now has moved to socialism.

We also don't want to make the economy too complex. We don't want it to become Celestial City-Adult Accounting Role Play.

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Re: Proposed new Rules - Corporations

Post by Mr. Strong » Mon Dec 21, 2015 6:33 am

A slight correction: Celestial has not moved to Socialism. In a Socialist Economy "The People", represented by the state, controls all means of production, all productive property, the creation of credit, and the banks.

Celestial is currently, literally, a Fascist economy. The government controls some industry socially, but allows for private business under the umbrella of state control. A business can be run so long as the government finds it productive and conducive towards its aims, but can shut down those businesses at any time. Basically, "Run your business, but if you make things we say the people don't need, you won't be successful ... or we'll just seize everything and turn it towards productive ends"

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Re: Proposed new Rules - Corporations

Post by Angelina Sinclair » Mon Dec 21, 2015 7:09 am

It would be nice if we can get a list of what Cooperations already do and possibly encourage new ones focus on fields that don't have a cooperation involved. I know some wish to do a everything or do all the "important" bits but when the Mayor starts getting 3 or more companies all offering her the latest in weapons/armor technologies or want to give some tech to the police it gets to be a bit too much.

While I agree with Monty that any company that focuses on multiple fields and tries to do everything should be "low" grade I believe the reverse should be true as well. If a company focuses on one subject matter like electronics then anything they produce should be of a good solid quality (tablets, phones, ereaders, etc). However if they are even more specific such as just phones then they should be able to do something like be developing phones with an AI. The more specific the company greater the technical development. Sure over time a company can be known for multiple great products but not in the beginning.

I would personally love a list of products or serves a company offers at the point of creation and as the story progresses. I'd also like a list of stuff they are developing but for it to be marked as OOC, rumored, or only those in the faction to know, etc. This way if someone wants to get involved or "steal" something they can talk to the faction leader about it and possibly arrange an event. I just hope this doesn't get out of control, lol.


One thing I do want to start discussion about is the collapse of a company. In some cases the literal collapse (aka Aztlan). There will come a time when companies ran by villains are revealed or discovered. When this happens a lot could snowball one after the other such as heroes attacking the company in hopes of taking the villain down or at worst they attack the office building to make it collapse in the assumption the entire cooperation is evil. Whether they are right or wrong in their IC reasoning I feel any large scale destruction or disabling of a cooperation should be thoroughly talked about with the people who made said company, OOCly.

No one wants to spend months with development RP making new gadgets, products, whatever to have it all crumble down in one major event they wish to not happen despite how many other characters/players agree it should happen. So this particular thing should be discussed as well.

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Re: Proposed new Rules - Corporations

Post by Angelina Sinclair » Mon Dec 21, 2015 7:12 am

Mr. Strong wrote:A slight correction: Celestial has not moved to Socialism. In a Socialist Economy "The People", represented by the state, controls all means of production, all productive property, the creation of credit, and the banks.

Celestial is currently, literally, a Fascist economy. The government controls some industry socially, but allows for private business under the umbrella of state control. A business can be run so long as the government finds it productive and conducive towards its aims, but can shut down those businesses at any time. Basically, "Run your business, but if you make things we say the people don't need, you won't be successful ... or we'll just seize everything and turn it towards productive ends"
The government is not facist! Having a secret service/police doesn't make it facist. It has two laws and the remanent control of whatever Shiva left behind which Monty has listed for us which I'm very glad he has because I was wondering where does the arm of the government reach.

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Re: Proposed new Rules - Corporations

Post by Chyleste » Mon Dec 21, 2015 7:14 am

One thing I do want to start discussion about is the collapse of a company. In some cases the literal collapse (aka Aztlan). There will come a time when companies ran by villains are revealed or discovered. When this happens a lot could snowball one after the other such as heroes attacking the company in hopes of taking the villain down or at worst they attack the office building to make it collapse in the assumption the entire cooperation is evil. Whether they are right or wrong in their IC reasoning I feel any large scale destruction or disabling of a cooperation should be thoroughly talked about with the people who made said company, OOCly.

No one wants to spend months with development RP making new gadgets, products, whatever to have it all crumble down in one major event they wish to not happen despite how many other characters/players agree it should happen. So this particular thing should be discussed as well.

I would consider a company destruction to be covered under the same rules as a player character death. It does require OOC consent.

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Post by Mr. Strong » Mon Dec 21, 2015 7:26 am

Angelina Sinclair wrote:
Mr. Strong wrote:A slight correction: Celestial has not moved to Socialism. In a Socialist Economy "The People", represented by the state, controls all means of production, all productive property, the creation of credit, and the banks.

Celestial is currently, literally, a Fascist economy. The government controls some industry socially, but allows for private business under the umbrella of state control. A business can be run so long as the government finds it productive and conducive towards its aims, but can shut down those businesses at any time. Basically, "Run your business, but if you make things we say the people don't need, you won't be successful ... or we'll just seize everything and turn it towards productive ends"
The government is not facist! Having a secret service/police doesn't make it facist. It has two laws and the remanent control of whatever Shiva left behind which Monty has listed for us which I'm very glad he has because I was wondering where does the arm of the government reach.
Yes it is. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economics ... _economies

The economy is definitely Fascist, and the government is, as well. It's an autocracy.

Don't take it as an insult... It's not all bad. People will talk decades from now about how at least you made the trains run on time.

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Post by Montyjack » Mon Dec 21, 2015 7:50 am

nightkindangel wrote:I don't know if I agree with the a single faction controlling a corporation. I could see like....two factions going into an alliance and taking over a corp...and then something happens, the partnership splits and two new companies are born out of the ashes of the initial one. Also, some businesses will be monopolies just because there is not a lot of room for competition, like the subway.

But i'm not directly opposed to any of the rules so far. Sounds very well thought out.
I don't see why two even three factions can't have a stake in a corporation. Also, when we putting these rules together behind the scenes as it were, we talked about one corporation designing a product, and buying the parts from other corporations. What we really want is for the corporate side to take on a life of its own.
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Post by Montyjack » Mon Dec 21, 2015 7:56 am

Angelina Sinclair wrote:It would be nice if we can get a list of what Cooperations already do and possibly encourage new ones focus on fields that don't have a cooperation involved. I know some wish to do a everything or do all the "important" bits but when the Mayor starts getting 3 or more companies all offering her the latest in weapons/armor technologies or want to give some tech to the police it gets to be a bit too much.
That will happen once the corporate app comes out. Chyleste has already mentioned that we have several corps competing in the same market. These guys will have to diversify to survive, possibly switching industries entirely. It will make your Mayor characters a job a lot easier when deciding who to award the contract to.
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Re: Proposed new Rules - Corporations

Post by Angelina Sinclair » Mon Dec 21, 2015 10:38 am

Montyjack wrote:
Angelina Sinclair wrote:It would be nice if we can get a list of what Cooperations already do and possibly encourage new ones focus on fields that don't have a cooperation involved. I know some wish to do a everything or do all the "important" bits but when the Mayor starts getting 3 or more companies all offering her the latest in weapons/armor technologies or want to give some tech to the police it gets to be a bit too much.
That will happen once the corporate app comes out. Chyleste has already mentioned that we have several corps competing in the same market. These guys will have to diversify to survive, possibly switching industries entirely. It will make your Mayor characters a job a lot easier when deciding who to award the contract to.
Awesome!

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Post by Melina Firehawk » Mon Dec 21, 2015 1:16 pm

nightkindangel wrote:I don't know if I agree with the a single faction controlling a corporation. I could see like....two factions going into an alliance and taking over a corp...and then something happens, the partnership splits and two new companies are born out of the ashes of the initial one. Also, some businesses will be monopolies just because there is not a lot of room for competition, like the subway.

But i'm not directly opposed to any of the rules so far. Sounds very well thought out.
Does this mean that even smaller businesses have to belong to a particular faction? Or will they be overlooked in the larger "economy" and all of the business going to the larger corporations? If a smaller business, which was established before the companies, has to belong to a faction, not every single one of them may fit well with what the business was set up to do. Either way, this really seems like it will hinder the ability for those who have a smaller business to get roleplay business at their shops in favor of the larger corporations.
Angelina Sinclair wrote:One thing I do want to start discussion about is the collapse of a company. In some cases the literal collapse (aka Aztlan). There will come a time when companies ran by villains are revealed or discovered. When this happens a lot could snowball one after the other such as heroes attacking the company in hopes of taking the villain down or at worst they attack the office building to make it collapse in the assumption the entire cooperation is evil. Whether they are right or wrong in their IC reasoning I feel any large scale destruction or disabling of a cooperation should be thoroughly talked about with the people who made said company, OOCly.

No one wants to spend months with development RP making new gadgets, products, whatever to have it all crumble down in one major event they wish to not happen despite how many other characters/players agree it should happen. So this particular thing should be discussed as well.
This is not only a concern that I have, but what I'm also concerned about is what if someone tries to do a corporate takeover of a smaller business? Will the person who was the RP owner of that business have any right to say yes or no, and still be able to get RP opportunities for their store without any negative impact? Even if they agree to a takeover, how would things continue to operate following that event?

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Post by Mr. Strong » Mon Dec 21, 2015 1:21 pm

These large corporations that do these big defense contracts only really have a few clients. The City, mainly. They're all competing for city contracts, because no one else can afford laser-weapons and shit.

Your computer business would be unaffected, because your clientelle is "normal people".

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Post by Montyjack » Mon Dec 21, 2015 1:24 pm

Mel, your store is unaffected by corporations and yes you have a right to say yes or no.
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Post by Chyleste » Mon Dec 21, 2015 1:44 pm

Small businesses are not counted as corporations. A single owner small shop is not effected.

As for a take over of a business, everything must be RP'd and see above where I said that taking over an active business is similar to death rules where it requires OOC consent.

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Post by Butterfly of Doom » Mon Dec 21, 2015 2:28 pm

I had one. But a PMC (private Military Contractor) didn't work in the limited scope. So Alicia sold to Tsuchigumo after Shivas destruction (with insuranc emoney for the tower going to keep her employees taken care of). When Millenium consumed Tsuchigumo, Wild Geese, and its shell companies were not part of the arrangement and are not fully under Alicias control (as is the tech and blueprints, machines from Tsuchigumo, Millenium got the name and a building..thats about it)

I believe these purchases and transactions can be used as a precedent to help guide further such deals.
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Post by Melina Firehawk » Mon Dec 21, 2015 4:00 pm

Mr. Strong wrote:These large corporations that do these big defense contracts only really have a few clients. The City, mainly. They're all competing for city contracts, because no one else can afford laser-weapons and shit.

Your computer business would be unaffected, because your clientelle is "normal people".
That's not entirely true. Since a few other corporations started up that deal with electronics of any kind, I haven't had anyone wanting to RP with the owner of my electronics & repair shop. And he was supposed to have worked with the PD on a crime with the technical aspect of it, so it shouldn't be to where only the corporations get to do stuff for the city. Smaller businesses should also be considered too otherwise it prevents them from also having that potential for being included in the RP.

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Post by Chyleste » Mon Dec 21, 2015 4:03 pm

No it is not only corporations that can get government contracts. All it takes it to convince the government through RP that you will be the best company for the contract.

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Post by Mr. Strong » Mon Dec 21, 2015 4:09 pm

Melina Firehawk wrote:
Mr. Strong wrote:These large corporations that do these big defense contracts only really have a few clients. The City, mainly. They're all competing for city contracts, because no one else can afford laser-weapons and shit.

Your computer business would be unaffected, because your clientelle is "normal people".
That's not entirely true. Since a few other corporations started up that deal with electronics of any kind, I haven't had anyone wanting to RP with the owner of my electronics & repair shop. And he was supposed to have worked with the PD on a crime with the technical aspect of it, so it shouldn't be to where only the corporations get to do stuff for the city. Smaller businesses should also be considered too otherwise it prevents them from also having that potential for being included in the RP.
Well, with that RP the "Technology" aspect just became irrelevant. The killer was caught red-handed trying to kill someone. That's not the way I'd necessarily have resolved it, but that's how it was.

Anyway, someone needing pretty basic computer assistance, even a detective working a case, really wouldn't go to a big-ass company that doesn't have a store. I don't go to Apple HQ to get my iphone looked at. I go to the local apple store. There's no local BA DASS shop, or Millenium Store, etc.

April Ciro has a great deal of autonomy about how she runs her department and equips them. I'd suggest meeting with April/Blue if you want to become the official tech person for the CCPDs cases.

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Post by Butterfly of Doom » Mon Dec 21, 2015 5:28 pm

Melina Firehawk wrote:
Mr. Strong wrote:These large corporations that do these big defense contracts only really have a few clients. The City, mainly. They're all competing for city contracts, because no one else can afford laser-weapons and shit.

Your computer business would be unaffected, because your clientelle is "normal people".
That's not entirely true. Since a few other corporations started up that deal with electronics of any kind, I haven't had anyone wanting to RP with the owner of my electronics & repair shop. And he was supposed to have worked with the PD on a crime with the technical aspect of it, so it shouldn't be to where only the corporations get to do stuff for the city. Smaller businesses should also be considered too otherwise it prevents them from also having that potential for being included in the RP.
M would go to you Melina (when she wanted a cover story). Same with Necie (because she doesn't know tech) .. because who goes to a corporate hq to get something fixed?
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Re: Proposed new Rules - Corporations

Post by Montyjack » Tue Dec 22, 2015 1:09 am

Butterfly of Doom wrote:
Melina Firehawk wrote:
Mr. Strong wrote:These large corporations that do these big defense contracts only really have a few clients. The City, mainly. They're all competing for city contracts, because no one else can afford laser-weapons and shit.

Your computer business would be unaffected, because your clientelle is "normal people".
That's not entirely true. Since a few other corporations started up that deal with electronics of any kind, I haven't had anyone wanting to RP with the owner of my electronics & repair shop. And he was supposed to have worked with the PD on a crime with the technical aspect of it, so it shouldn't be to where only the corporations get to do stuff for the city. Smaller businesses should also be considered too otherwise it prevents them from also having that potential for being included in the RP.
M would go to you Melina (when she wanted a cover story). Same with Necie (because she doesn't know tech) .. because who goes to a corporate hq to get something fixed?
Good point. Also people get better deals from the independent guy than the big corporate machine.
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Post by Cybermonarch » Tue Dec 22, 2015 12:51 pm

I guess I'm for it, as long as B.A. DASS isn't too affected.

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Post by Montyjack » Tue Dec 22, 2015 1:17 pm

Cybermonarch wrote:I guess I'm for it, as long as B.A. DASS isn't too affected.
It might seem a little overly complex, but once it's thrashed out and up and running it will all work itself out and open the door for more RP. No corporation will be too badly affected, though some might have to adjust to supplying different gear or specialising in a certain type.
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Re: Proposed new Rules - Corporations

Post by Chyleste » Tue Dec 22, 2015 2:50 pm

The only way someone might consider a corporation largely effected is if they expect it to give them unlimited wealth and instant inventions.

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